Papyrus CSS Problems

[explorz]

I am trying to get Papyrus to work with CSS and am having problems. I have
added Papyris to the font list as "Papyrus, Garamond, Times New Roman, serif"
and it shows up in Dreamweaver fine. But when I try to display through Safari,
Camino or Explorer, it does not show up. If I don't use CSS then Papyrus shows
up fine. But of course CSS is so much more handy to mass edit later. help.

[darrel]

Post by explorz
I am trying to get Papyrus to work with CSS and am having problems. I have
added Papyris to the font list as "Papyrus, Garamond, Times New Roman, serif"
and it shows up in Dreamweaver fine. But when I try to display through Safari,
Camino or Explorer, it does not show up. If I don't use CSS then Papyrus shows
up fine. But of course CSS is so much more handy to mass edit later.

help.

Note that few people will have Papyrus to begin with.

Other than that, show us your page and we'll take a look at it.

-Darrel

[Flo Nelson]

I wouldn't use it - not that common a font - you won't have any idea what
your page will really look like to most people. If you want it for titles or
headers use images.

Flo

Post by explorz
I am trying to get Papyrus to work with CSS and am having problems. I have
added Papyris to the font list as "Papyrus, Garamond, Times New Roman, serif"
and it shows up in Dreamweaver fine. But when I try to display through Safari,
Camino or Explorer, it does not show up. If I don't use CSS then Papyrus shows
up fine. But of course CSS is so much more handy to mass edit later.
help.

[explorz]

As the secondary font, I have Garamond. Any idea if that is any more poular?

Also, I got it to work. Seems I was accessing a non-dfont version of Papyrus.

[.: Nadia :. *TMM*]

This is courtesy of a google search and a previous post by Murray :)
There is also a website that shows this info, but can't find it right
now....

In DW, the only fonts you need are the ones that are most often found on
Macs and PCs, depending on what platform you are using -

for a Mac, it's

Times
Helvetica
Courier
Verdana
Georgia
Trebuchet MS
MS Comic Sans
sans-serif
serif

and for a PC its

Times New Roman
Arial
Courier New
Verdana
Georgia
Trebuchet MS
MS Comic Sans
sans-serif
serif

Using anything other than ones from that list means that the only person
guaranteed to see your font on your page is you - because other viewers may
not have that font installed on their system!
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Post by explorz
As the secondary font, I have Garamond. Any idea if that is any more poular?
Also, I got it to work. Seems I was accessing a non-dfont version of Papyrus.

[Lionstone]

sans-serif and serif aren't fonts; they're instructions to the browser to
pick any sans-serif or serif font it likes. I only mention it because not
everyone will have the same default sans-serif font, for instance, and
someone assuming they will can only run into trouble later.

Post by .: Nadia :. *TMM*
This is courtesy of a google search and a previous post by Murray :)
There is also a website that shows this info, but can't find it right
now....
In DW, the only fonts you need are the ones that are most often found on
Macs and PCs, depending on what platform you are using -
for a Mac, it's
Times
Helvetica
Courier
Verdana
Georgia
Trebuchet MS
MS Comic Sans
sans-serif
serif
and for a PC its
Times New Roman
Arial
Courier New
Verdana
Georgia
Trebuchet MS
MS Comic Sans
sans-serif
serif
Using anything other than ones from that list means that the only person
guaranteed to see your font on your page is you - because other viewers may
not have that font installed on their system!
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Nadia
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Post by explorz
As the secondary font, I have Garamond. Any idea if that is any more poular?
Also, I got it to work. Seems I was accessing a non-dfont version of Papyrus.

...

[Mad Dog]

Post by Lionstone
sans-serif and serif aren't fonts; they're instructions to the
browser to pick any sans-serif or serif font it likes. I only
mention it because not everyone will have the same default sans-serif
font, for instance, and someone assuming they will can only run into
trouble later.

Actually, it doesn't choose "any sans-serif or serif font it likes." It will
use your computer and browser's default sans-serif and serif font. In
Windows, these are usually Arial and Times Roman, but they don't have to be.

[explorz]

Am I right in assuming that the browser only defaults to the set sans-serif or serif font if the first fonts called for in the css are unavilable on their system?

[darrel]

Post by explorz
Am I right in assuming that the browser only defaults to the set

sans-serif or serif font if the first fonts called for in the css are
unavilable on their system?

Yes.

-Darrel

[Mad Dog]

Yes. The browser takes it in order. It looks for the first font mentioned.
If you don't it installed, it tries the second. If you don't have either, it
goes to the default font.

Post by explorz
Am I right in assuming that the browser only defaults to the set
sans-serif or serif font if the first fonts called for in the css are
unavilable on their system?

[Murray *TMM*]

If it doesn't have either, it goes to the third, and then the fourth, and so
on until it runs out of choices. Then it goes to the default.
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Post by Mad Dog
Yes. The browser takes it in order. It looks for the first font mentioned.
If you don't it installed, it tries the second. If you don't have either,
it goes to the default font.

Post by explorz
Am I right in assuming that the browser only defaults to the set
sans-serif or serif font if the first fonts called for in the css are
unavilable on their system?

[Mad Dog]

I prefer to use use "whatever" and let the browser decide. Most of them have
very good design sense.

Post by Murray *TMM*
If it doesn't have either, it goes to the third, and then the fourth,
and so on until it runs out of choices. Then it goes to the default.

Post by Mad Dog
Yes. The browser takes it in order. It looks for the first font
mentioned. If you don't it installed, it tries the second. If you
don't have either, it goes to the default font.

Post by explorz
Am I right in assuming that the browser only defaults to the set
sans-serif or serif font if the first fonts called for in the css
are unavilable on their system?

...

[Murray *TMM*]

Heh - better than you and me for sure....
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Post by Mad Dog
I prefer to use use "whatever" and let the browser decide. Most of them
have very good design sense.

Post by Murray *TMM*
If it doesn't have either, it goes to the third, and then the fourth,
and so on until it runs out of choices. Then it goes to the default.

Post by Mad Dog
Yes. The browser takes it in order. It looks for the first font
mentioned. If you don't it installed, it tries the second. If you
don't have either, it goes to the default font.

Post by explorz
Am I right in assuming that the browser only defaults to the set
sans-serif or serif font if the first fonts called for in the css
are unavilable on their system?

...

[Gary White]

Post by Mad Dog
I prefer to use use "whatever" and let the browser decide. Most of them have
very good design sense.

Actually, it goes to whatever the user has set as the browser default
and we *know* that users have horrible taste. ;-)


Gary

[Mad Dog]

Post by Gary White

Post by Gary White
Actually, it goes to whatever the user has set as the browser default

and we *know* that users have horrible taste. ;-)

And since most users don't know that this can be changed, better yet know
how to change it, the end result is it's the browser's creators who have the
impeccable taste!

[James Shook]

Post by explorz
Am I right in assuming that the browser only defaults to the set sans-serif or serif font if the first fonts called for in the css are unavilable on their system?

Yes, it will then use the font that was established in the viewer's
browser's Preferences for serif or san-serif fonts.

[Lionstone]

Sloppy writing. I was implying that any font could be the default. The
user is the one who likes the font, obviously.

Post by Mad Dog

Post by Lionstone
sans-serif and serif aren't fonts; they're instructions to the
browser to pick any sans-serif or serif font it likes. I only
mention it because not everyone will have the same default sans-serif
font, for instance, and someone assuming they will can only run into
trouble later.

Actually, it doesn't choose "any sans-serif or serif font it likes." It
will use your computer and browser's default sans-serif and serif font. In
Windows, these are usually Arial and Times Roman, but they don't have to be.

...

[Mad Dog]

Sloppy writing. I was implying that any font could be the default. The
user is the one who likes the font, obviously.

True. Though the truth is almost everyone will have their browser set to use
the defaults it installed set up to use. Hardly anyone will change those.
Hell, most users don't even know how to change it. Or that they can.

[Gary White]

Post by explorz
As the secondary font, I have Garamond. Any idea if that is any more poular?

See http://www.ampsoft.net/webdesign-l/WindowsMacFonts.html

Gary

[explorz]

Very helpful, Thanks!!

[Gary White]

Post by explorz
Very helpful, Thanks!!

You're welcome.


Gary