Dreamweaver 3 for Windows 7

[Gene Wirchenko]

I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I currently have
Dreamweaver 3, running in Windows Vista. At this time Dreamweaver 3 serves
its purpose. However, I just purchased a new computer with Windows 7. Can I
still use Dreamweaver 3 on Windows 7, will it work? If I need to upgrade,
what will I need?

I am just learning Dreamweaver myself, but maybe some of my
experience will help.

1) I am using Dreamweaver 8.0.2 on Windows 7. It works, but you
have to use a special form of the installer to work.

2) Some of the documentation is out-of-date. Seeing a reference to
IE 5 and Firefox 1.0.2 as being modern browsers was chuckleworthy.
Some things do not work quite the same way in Windows 7. (No, I have
not kept track of these. You may have to do a bit of hunting around
to figure it out. XML conversion (as in one of the tutorials) would
not work for me -- the menu choice was not present -- and I still have
not solved this.)

Yours is the first post that I have seen since I subscribed to
this newsgroup about one month ago.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[Duncan Kennedy]

Post by Gene Wirchenko

I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I currently have
Dreamweaver 3, running in Windows Vista. At this time Dreamweaver 3 serves
its purpose. However, I just purchased a new computer with Windows 7. Can I
still use Dreamweaver 3 on Windows 7, will it work? If I need to upgrade,
what will I need?

I am just learning Dreamweaver myself, but maybe some of my
experience will help.
1) I am using Dreamweaver 8.0.2 on Windows 7. It works, but you
have to use a special form of the installer to work.
2) Some of the documentation is out-of-date. Seeing a reference to
IE 5 and Firefox 1.0.2 as being modern browsers was chuckleworthy.
Some things do not work quite the same way in Windows 7. (No, I have
not kept track of these. You may have to do a bit of hunting around
to figure it out. XML conversion (as in one of the tutorials) would
not work for me -- the menu choice was not present -- and I still have
not solved this.)

FWIW I have been playing with Adobe CS3 on Win7 Pro 64 abd 32 bit boxes
since a major crash with the Vista drive.

I had no trouble (so far) with Dreamweavrer, and Illustrator and Acrobat
seem fine on both boxes but my much loved (for certain jobs) Fireworks
has serious brush problems on both. I guess it will have to go back on
the alternative Vista drive for that.

Post by Gene Wirchenko
Yours is the first post that I have seen since I subscribed to
this newsgroup about one month ago.

This is due to the group having been abandoned by Adobe about 18 months
ago in favour of thier web forums ;-( There are still a few of us
around who prefer Usenet to web forums.

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

Post by Duncan Kennedy

Post by Gene Wirchenko
Yours is the first post that I have seen since I subscribed to
this newsgroup about one month ago.

This is due to the group having been abandoned by Adobe about 18 months
ago in favour of thier web forums ;-( There are still a few of us
around who prefer Usenet to web forums.

I am one of them. Microsoft also abandoned USENET newsgroups a
while back.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

[John C]

Post by Duncan Kennedy

Post by Gene Wirchenko

I have a question that I hope you can help me with. I currently have
Dreamweaver 3, running in Windows Vista. At this time Dreamweaver 3 serves
its purpose. However, I just purchased a new computer with Windows 7. Can I
still use Dreamweaver 3 on Windows 7, will it work? If I need to upgrade,
what will I need?

I am just learning Dreamweaver myself, but maybe some of my
experience will help.
1) I am using Dreamweaver 8.0.2 on Windows 7. It works, but you
have to use a special form of the installer to work.
2) Some of the documentation is out-of-date. Seeing a reference to
IE 5 and Firefox 1.0.2 as being modern browsers was chuckleworthy.
Some things do not work quite the same way in Windows 7. (No, I have
not kept track of these. You may have to do a bit of hunting around
to figure it out. XML conversion (as in one of the tutorials) would
not work for me -- the menu choice was not present -- and I still have
not solved this.)

FWIW I have been playing with Adobe CS3 on Win7 Pro 64 abd 32 bit boxes
since a major crash with the Vista drive.
I had no trouble (so far) with Dreamweavrer, and Illustrator and Acrobat
seem fine on both boxes but my much loved (for certain jobs) Fireworks
has serious brush problems on both. I guess it will have to go back on
the alternative Vista drive for that.

Post by Gene Wirchenko
Yours is the first post that I have seen since I subscribed to
this newsgroup about one month ago.

This is due to the group having been abandoned by Adobe about 18 months
ago in favour of their web forums ;-( There are still a few of us
around who prefer Usenet to web forums.

Well If Adobe don't lift their game, they might not be around for much
longer either. They have priced themselves out of the market and unless
they have a serious re-think about their products and pricing, people
will move to other platforms that are more affordable.

Having said this I had the same problem with Dreamweaver 8 when I
upgraded to windows 7 Ultimate. Even when I asked Windows 7 to emulate
XP Pro, which is was the platform I had DW8 on previously, the program
still would not load. This forced me to upgrade to CS5.5, which quite
frankly I could not see the value in. I did not take up the subscription
after the 30 days expired and for $2800 why would I! This is obviously a
conspiracy by Adobe to force you to upgrade to their latest products and
be forced to pay their extortionist price for the privilege, in this
case using the Windows 7 OS upgrade as the catalyst to do so.

[Your Name]

Post by John C
Well If Adobe don't lift their game, they might not be around for much
longer either. They have priced themselves out of the market and unless
they have a serious re-think about their products and pricing, people
will move to other platforms that are more affordable.
Having said this I had the same problem with Dreamweaver 8 when I
upgraded to windows 7 Ultimate. Even when I asked Windows 7 to emulate
XP Pro, which is was the platform I had DW8 on previously, the program
still would not load. This forced me to upgrade to CS5.5, which quite
frankly I could not see the value in. I did not take up the subscription
after the 30 days expired and for $2800 why would I! This is obviously a
conspiracy by Adobe to force you to upgrade to their latest products and
be forced to pay their extortionist price for the privilege, in this
case using the Windows 7 OS upgrade as the catalyst to do so.

It's no different to any other software or hardware manufacturer. You
can't expect old software to continue working on newer versions of the
operating system forever. I've got a 13 year old printer, and apparently
Epson have stopped making the ink cartridges for it, so now I have to get
"compatible" third party ones that may or may not be as good. :-(

Before upgrading to a new version of the OS you should always check that
all your existing software and hardware will still work - that way you
will know what the FULL cost of upgrading will be and whether or not it's
worth upgrading it now or waiting for a future release.

I haven't checked US pricing, but I doubt that Dreamweaver CS5.5 costs
$2800. That's more likely to be the price of a complete package which
includes other software like Photoshop, etc.


There is another option. Check out auctions for versions newer than yours,
but not the very latest (and again check before buying that it actually
works with you new OS software) ... not just the obvious eBay places, but
also proper auction house websites and places that sell off excess / old
stock.

Recently here in New Zealand a proper auction house had an online auction
for some items that had been insurance claimed after the earthquakes down
south. They had the Adobe CS5 bundles (both education and retail) and they
sold at prices that were at least 40% under normal retail - for example,
the Design Premium Education bundles were selling for under NZ$300 when
the retail price was (and of CS5.5 is NZ$500). A few years ago I bought my
current copy of InDesign 2 at a very cheap price from the same auction
house. They are legal versions, unused and still shrinkwrapped.

[Your Name]

Post by John C
Well If Adobe don't lift their game, they might not be around for much
longer either. They have priced themselves out of the market and unless
they have a serious re-think about their products and pricing, people
will move to other platforms that are more affordable.
Having said this I had the same problem with Dreamweaver 8 when I
upgraded to windows 7 Ultimate. Even when I asked Windows 7 to emulate
XP Pro, which is was the platform I had DW8 on previously, the program
still would not load. This forced me to upgrade to CS5.5, which quite
frankly I could not see the value in. I did not take up the subscription
after the 30 days expired and for $2800 why would I! This is obviously a
conspiracy by Adobe to force you to upgrade to their latest products and
be forced to pay their extortionist price for the privilege, in this
case using the Windows 7 OS upgrade as the catalyst to do so.

Here's another example, my Internet Provider made some changes to their
server software which meant that people running the old Mac OS 9 and
earlier operating system coudln't even log on via dial-up connections.
After mucking me about for over a month they finally said they were not
goign to fix the problem (depsite having fixed it three times before) and
that I had to upgrade my operating system software.

I eventually had to upgrade my operating system, and cheaply thanks to
someone giving me their old, no longer used version of Mac OS 10.1 (their
old iMac died and wasn't worth repairing), so I have been able to use my
Internet connection ... but it looks like the ISP has now made changes to
their email server software which means my email application (Eudora) may
no longer able to send emails - sometimes it works fins, sometimes the
emails either bounce with an admistrator error (the ISP's server
mistakenly marks them as spam and refuses to send them) or the emails
simply disappear, never to arrive.

So much for the Internet being platform independant. :-(

More likely it's simply Vodafone New Zealand being utterly incompetent. I
help various other people, some even still using Mac OS 8, and this is the
only ISP in the country I've come across that has these problems with
older software.

[John C]

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Post by John C
Well If Adobe don't lift their game, they might not be around for much
longer either. They have priced themselves out of the market and unless
they have a serious re-think about their products and pricing, people
will move to other platforms that are more affordable.
Having said this I had the same problem with Dreamweaver 8 when I
upgraded to windows 7 Ultimate. Even when I asked Windows 7 to emulate
XP Pro, which is was the platform I had DW8 on previously, the program
still would not load. This forced me to upgrade to CS5.5, which quite
frankly I could not see the value in. I did not take up the subscription
after the 30 days expired and for $2800 why would I! This is obviously a
conspiracy by Adobe to force you to upgrade to their latest products and
be forced to pay their extortionist price for the privilege, in this
case using the Windows 7 OS upgrade as the catalyst to do so.

Here's another example, my Internet Provider made some changes to their
server software which meant that people running the old Mac OS 9 and
earlier operating system coudln't even log on via dial-up connections.
After mucking me about for over a month they finally said they were not
goign to fix the problem (depsite having fixed it three times before) and
that I had to upgrade my operating system software.
I eventually had to upgrade my operating system, and cheaply thanks to
someone giving me their old, no longer used version of Mac OS 10.1 (their
old iMac died and wasn't worth repairing), so I have been able to use my
Internet connection ... but it looks like the ISP has now made changes to
their email server software which means my email application (Eudora) may
no longer able to send emails - sometimes it works fins, sometimes the
emails either bounce with an admistrator error (the ISP's server
mistakenly marks them as spam and refuses to send them) or the emails
simply disappear, never to arrive.
So much for the Internet being platform independant. :-(
More likely it's simply Vodafone New Zealand being utterly incompetent. I
help various other people, some even still using Mac OS 8, and this is the
only ISP in the country I've come across that has these problems with
older software.

Vodafone....... Humph!! We call it Vodafail here in Australia, more
drop-outs in a day than a lady of the night drops her knickers in a
year. Their service is just disgusting here. The only reason I am still
with them is they have the cheapest plan, so you get what you pay for I
suppose. However, I will have to change to Telstra (heaven forbid) as it
has started to affect my business with customers complaining they can't
get me, or calls continually dropping out in the middle of a crucial
conversation. Anyway we are getting off the topic, this is supposed to
be a DW posting site..... Cheers :-)

[Your Name]

Post by John C

Post by Your Name

Post by John C
Well If Adobe don't lift their game, they might not be around for much
longer either. They have priced themselves out of the market and unless
they have a serious re-think about their products and pricing, people
will move to other platforms that are more affordable.
Having said this I had the same problem with Dreamweaver 8 when I
upgraded to windows 7 Ultimate. Even when I asked Windows 7 to emulate
XP Pro, which is was the platform I had DW8 on previously, the program
still would not load. This forced me to upgrade to CS5.5, which quite
frankly I could not see the value in. I did not take up the subscription
after the 30 days expired and for $2800 why would I! This is obviously a
conspiracy by Adobe to force you to upgrade to their latest products and
be forced to pay their extortionist price for the privilege, in this
case using the Windows 7 OS upgrade as the catalyst to do so.

Here's another example, my Internet Provider made some changes to their
server software which meant that people running the old Mac OS 9 and
earlier operating system coudln't even log on via dial-up connections.
After mucking me about for over a month they finally said they were not
goign to fix the problem (depsite having fixed it three times before) and
that I had to upgrade my operating system software.
I eventually had to upgrade my operating system, and cheaply thanks to
someone giving me their old, no longer used version of Mac OS 10.1 (their
old iMac died and wasn't worth repairing), so I have been able to use my
Internet connection ... but it looks like the ISP has now made changes to
their email server software which means my email application (Eudora) may
no longer able to send emails - sometimes it works fins, sometimes the
emails either bounce with an admistrator error (the ISP's server
mistakenly marks them as spam and refuses to send them) or the emails
simply disappear, never to arrive.
So much for the Internet being platform independant. :-(
More likely it's simply Vodafone New Zealand being utterly incompetent. I
help various other people, some even still using Mac OS 8, and this is the
only ISP in the country I've come across that has these problems with
older software.

Vodafone....... Humph!! We call it Vodafail here in Australia, more
drop-outs in a day than a lady of the night drops her knickers in a
year. Their service is just disgusting here. The only reason I am still
with them is they have the cheapest plan, so you get what you pay for I
suppose. However, I will have to change to Telstra (heaven forbid) as it
has started to affect my business with customers complaining they can't
get me, or calls continually dropping out in the middle of a crucial
conversation. Anyway we are getting off the topic, this is supposed to
be a DW posting site..... Cheers :-)

It was sort of on topic, in the sense that changes to newer software (in
this case Vodafone's servers) can cause problems for older software (my
version of the OS). Unfortunately all you can do is either stick with the
older software (not an option in my case) or buy / upgrade to the newer
software ... it's not really Adobe's fault.

The only reason I'm stil using useless Vodafone is because it's so
difficult, time consuming and expensive to change all the places using the
current email address over to someone else. :-(

[John C]

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Post by John C

Post by Your Name

Post by John C
Well If Adobe don't lift their game, they might not be around for much
longer either. They have priced themselves out of the market and unless
they have a serious re-think about their products and pricing, people
will move to other platforms that are more affordable.
Having said this I had the same problem with Dreamweaver 8 when I
upgraded to windows 7 Ultimate. Even when I asked Windows 7 to emulate
XP Pro, which is was the platform I had DW8 on previously, the program
still would not load. This forced me to upgrade to CS5.5, which quite
frankly I could not see the value in. I did not take up the subscription
after the 30 days expired and for $2800 why would I! This is obviously a
conspiracy by Adobe to force you to upgrade to their latest products and
be forced to pay their extortionist price for the privilege, in this
case using the Windows 7 OS upgrade as the catalyst to do so.

Here's another example, my Internet Provider made some changes to their
server software which meant that people running the old Mac OS 9 and
earlier operating system coudln't even log on via dial-up connections.
After mucking me about for over a month they finally said they were not
goign to fix the problem (depsite having fixed it three times before) and
that I had to upgrade my operating system software.
I eventually had to upgrade my operating system, and cheaply thanks to
someone giving me their old, no longer used version of Mac OS 10.1 (their
old iMac died and wasn't worth repairing), so I have been able to use my
Internet connection ... but it looks like the ISP has now made changes to
their email server software which means my email application (Eudora) may
no longer able to send emails - sometimes it works fins, sometimes the
emails either bounce with an admistrator error (the ISP's server
mistakenly marks them as spam and refuses to send them) or the emails
simply disappear, never to arrive.
So much for the Internet being platform independant. :-(
More likely it's simply Vodafone New Zealand being utterly incompetent. I
help various other people, some even still using Mac OS 8, and this is the
only ISP in the country I've come across that has these problems with
older software.

Vodafone....... Humph!! We call it Vodafail here in Australia, more
drop-outs in a day than a lady of the night drops her knickers in a
year. Their service is just disgusting here. The only reason I am still
with them is they have the cheapest plan, so you get what you pay for I
suppose. However, I will have to change to Telstra (heaven forbid) as it
has started to affect my business with customers complaining they can't
get me, or calls continually dropping out in the middle of a crucial
conversation. Anyway we are getting off the topic, this is supposed to
be a DW posting site..... Cheers :-)

It was sort of on topic, in the sense that changes to newer software (in
this case Vodafone's servers) can cause problems for older software (my
version of the OS). Unfortunately all you can do is either stick with the
older software (not an option in my case) or buy / upgrade to the newer
software ... it's not really Adobe's fault.
The only reason I'm stil using useless Vodafone is because it's so
difficult, time consuming and expensive to change all the places using the
current email address over to someone else. :-(

It is called commercial exploitation. Give us a reason the change
something and charge for it, let's do it. Guess what Windows upgraded to
7 (I had to take it with my new computer as XP Pro wasn't an option
unfortunately)so what a great reason to have to force an upgrade of
software rather than provide a patch!! & blame Microsoft for it. Not
just Adobe, but most other software manufacturers capitalised on this as
well. I remember when I upgraded from Windows 95 to XP Pro, what an
expensive exercise that was in upgrading all my old software because it
would not work on the new platform. It it is all about money....:-( Not
so bad for Windows 7 as most software I was running on XP Pro was 7
compatible thank goodness....;-), or if there was no upgrade, Windows 7
at allowed you to run XP emulation to operate the software, so at least
Microsoft was conscious of the impact this was going to have. Adobe
decided no patch, charge start gouging.... anyway that is my soapbox
whinge!! :-)